Golden Great Wall Szechuan and Golden Szechuan Redux

One of our readers has posted many disrespectful comments about my posts about my reports on my UBC Chinese Culinary Art Classes at the Golden Great Wall Szechuan Restaurant and the Golden Szechuan Restaurant.

As per our privacy and site policies ("Discussion messages that are disrespectful of other members will be deleted."), I have deleted the disrespectful messages. I have attempted to email the reader who made these comments (see the end of this post for the email) but it bounced.

Although the comments were disrespectful, some of the points made in them were valid. I will try to summarize them here (in italics) and reply (in normal text):

How could I say that the Golden Great Wall Szechuan Restaurant is not really a Szechuan restaurant?

I am not an expert in Chinese food, just a keen amateur who loves and appreciates it. I am not Chinese. I am Canadian of Filipino heritage. Not being Chinese, I am very hesitant to say this Chinese restaurant does this or this Chinese food is of this style since there is a real depth to Chinese food culture that requires (I believe) being brought up Chinese or years of study. I rely on real Chinese people for these kinds of evaluations. In this case, I relied on my UBC Chinese Culinary Arts teacher, who is a Chinese person from Anhui province in China. He stated to our class that the restaurant is more Beijing and northern in style than Szechuan. So that's what I wrote.

Furthermore, I am not a purist. there is no reason why the Golden Great Wall can't serve Szechuan food. If that's what people want and that's what they enjoy, then great! It's just like Italians from Sicily serving Tuscan (or Koreans serving Japanese food or Chinese people serving sushi) food because that's what people want and order. No harm done and absolutely no problem.

In fact, a year or so ago, I tried the Szechuan food at the Golden Great Wall and enjoyed it. But now that I know the Golden Great Wall serves even better Beijing style food, I would rather eat Beijing style there on future visits!

How would would you feel if you family had a restaurant and somebody wrote about your 'fake' name and food?

I meant no disrespect to the owners of the Golden Great Wall. They serve delicious Szechuan food and even better Beijing style food. And I would recommend their food and restaurant to anybody!

I didn't mean to say that the owners of the Golden Great Wall or the name of the restaurant are fake. If your customers only know about Szechuan food (like most Canadians) and not about Beijing style food, then it's OK by me to serve what the people want and what makes money in this case Szechuan food.

My apologies to the owners of the Golden Great Wall if what I wrote appears to be disrespectful.

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From: Roland Tanglao <roland AT vaneats.com>
Date: March 25, 2004 11:44:13 PM PST
To: address deleted
Subject:

Hi name deleted:

Sorry that you were offended by my review of the Golden Great Wall and the Golden Szechuan restaurants. My apologies.

I am not Chinese and therefore would not write that the Golden Great Wall was not primarily a Szechuan restaurant if a Chinese person hadn't confirmed it first.

In fact this was confirmed by my Chinese Culinary Arts teacher (who is Chinese from Anhui province) from UBC. He told me that the Golden Great wall's speciality is Beijing style and not Szechuan style. If he hadn't told me that the Golden Great Wall specializes in Beijing style and not Szechuan style despite the fact that it has Szechuan in its name, I wouldn't have wrote what I wrote.

Anyways, I liked the food in both restaurants and will be back and will eat there because the food at both is delicious. Sorry if that was not clear.

Here's what I wrote about the Golden Great Wall indicating that I will go back and I enjoyed the food:

My favourite was the duck and the Beijing-style pancake.

The duck skin had no fat! Yes! Crispy, crunchy!

And the duck soup was wholesome warming winter food. A great rustic style treat!

The Beijing style pancake with pork was salty for some but not for me! Filling and wrapper went together nicely. I need to have this again soon! We will be back!

Here's what I wrote about the Golden Szecuan indicating that I will also go back to this restaurant because I enjoyed the food there too:

My favourites of the night were the double cooked pork (wonderful chili and meaty combination especially after our teacher sent it back for some spicing up!), Dan dan noodles (wonderful sesame and chili flavour with sesame nuts; I am definitely coming back for this one) and the duck (unusual and delicious smokey tea flavour).

We'll be back for a mini-review but, until then, here are some pictures:

I hope this clears up the confusion

In short I liked both restaurants' food!

Cheers!
...Roland

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Comments

your right that were specialize in Beijing style food but our menu changes over time because of old owner and we will keep changing over time to make the golden great wall a best place to dine in vancouver and we be open at 11-3 lunch, 5-10 dinner

god back to the first statement that i first posted on this website!!! all i want you to do is take out 2 comments on the golden great wall and golden restaurant "It's funny how a lot of Chinese restaurants call themselves Szechuan even though their food is not! I am told (and it make sense) that this is done to differentiate them from Cantonese food because a lot of people are familiar with Cantonese style Chinese food and Szechuan style food but not the other styles such as Beijing style and Shanghai style". and also "It is not a Cantonese restaurant. It's also not a Szechuan restaurant but they serve Szechuan food because it is popular and a good way to make money". is that too hard i dont care about anything eles i am not trying to make it a big deal just a simple thing i ask.

and also golden restaurant is the old owner of the golden great wall

my source says it both beijing and szechuan use to be just szechuan but customer around the golden great wall area (company) enjoy casual chinese dinner like sweet and sour pork etc so it bit of both but GGW does specialize in szechuan when more high class chinese people go and eat the waitress would adress them to more suitable taste but during lunch it just both style at night it just different to sum it up

Jason: Just to be clear here, here's my attempt to summarize and paraphrase your comments: 1. You are not an owner of the Golden Great Wall restaurant 2. But, you know either the owner or somebody who works there or both.  Please clarify exactly which.  It seems to me that if you know the owner or you are the owner, your statements about making a living in the restaurant business and money make sense and carry more crediblity, don't you think? 3. The old owner was from Szechuan 4. The new owner is not from Szechuan 5. Although the Golden Great Wall now specializes in Beijing style food, they still serve Szechuan and other styles of Chinese food such as sweet and sour pork which is Cantonese in origin I believe. Please don't get upset by the above five statements.  If any of them are wrong, please post a polite correction. I am just trying to figure out exactly the situation is so I can post a correction (if I think it's required) to my original newsitem about the Golden Great Wall.  Because it appears that maybe my Chinese Culinary Arts teacher either didn't have all the facts or didn't communicate those facts to me. Cheers! ...Roland

kirsten kirsten hmm thank him!!! i would but the thing roland said just hurtfull i show it to a friend of mine that know nothing about golden great wall and he agree that what roland said was just awful and even without roland comment we have alot of business but everything people say i take serious like any other person it like not replying to a mistake that i can easily correct

Jason: Are you one of the owners of the restaurant? If so, please let us know: are you a Beijing style restaurant or are you a Szechuan style restaurant or are you both?

kurtis ok yeah my comment out of the line but i do anything whatever it take to take that little thing like you WOULD DO IF YOU WERE NORMAL HUMAN BEING WITH FEELINGS and obviously you know nothing about bad comments and i never do this is my first time spamming

if you just change that little piece of comment just leave out the negative things about golden great wall i never bother you again ever ever again

you people know nothing how it feel to own a restaurant or work in one

i am just stating my opinion because i can so easily diss roland comment on every restaurant because i been to almost all of them and they dont really do a good job and come on OUR RESTAURANT IS THE ONLY BAD REVIEW IN THIS SITE THERE IS AND THAT MY COMMENT WERE BAD I AM SORRY BECAUSE I THOUGHT HE WOULDNT ANSWER ME SO I POSTED EVERYTHING TO GET ATTENTION I AM NOT A BAD PERSON I UNDERSTAND HOW HE GET HIS SCOURCE BUT GOD THAT THING ABOUT MONEY ALL BUSINESS REQUIRE MONEY MONEY MONEY IF YOU DONT USE COMMON SENSE THAN I KEEP POSTING NOT BAD COMMENT MY VIEW UNTIL YOU CHANGE IT

Hi Jason: Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think what I wrote is a bad review. In my opinion, a bad review would say 'don't eat at this restaurant'. My review stated that the food at the restaurant is delicious and that I would eat there again and that I recommend it. I think that qualifies as a good review.

blah blah blah how would you feel if your restaurant just started a business and already a bad comment is place is that fair? not even given a chance to start all over because of the old owner

Roland's comment is perfectly valid. He is stating an opinion based on a reliable source. In the recent weekend Vancouver Sun article Mia Stainsby reviewed a few restaurants and note that "Duffins Donuts" isn't really a donut place at all and you should try the Mexican torte. Mia is a well respected columnist that is calling a spade a spade. Also she noted that the House of Tofu Soup is really an excellent Korean restaurant and tofu is not one of their specializes thought they do serve it. Just because a restaurant's name isn't exactly what you think they serve and that is pointed out is not something that deserves criticism. If a restaurant with Szechuan in the name doesn't sell Szechuan food (or little of it) is FAIR criticism. The solution is to change the name to something that is more appropriate and don't blame the messenger of bad news.

Roland obviously does a lot to promote and share enthusiasm about the local food scene, and Jason's comments are completly out of line.

Jason, you can ask for whatever it is you feel you deserve, but I can tell you that I will not visit your restaurant based on your (over)reaction to an innocent review. Who knows what else you will overreact to? Would you spill hot soup on me if I mispronounce a menu item?

In my opinion, Jason, you should be thanking Roland for mentioning your restaurant on his site otherwise I wouldn't have known about it. Try to remember, if the food is great, people will come. It's unfortunate  you couldn't have clarified the menu in a more positive manner.

All I ask is you take that comment off (Unlike the Golden Great Wall Szechuan Restaurant, the Golden Szechuan actually specializes in Szechuan food!) dont mind you posting stuff about us but I read your other post so far, our restaurant the worse comment in all other comment, you have posted about other restaurant. I am sorry that I went over the top with awful comments but all I ask is that, you take that little message about the golden great wall off is that too hard to ask.